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Author:  Rob Simmons [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:24 am ]
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I believe Rob has already done that (remove att pts). No problem with generating that number, or any other number anyone wants to look at or compare.

I agree that a record should count for more. I suggested 10 pts earlier.

Lou
I haven't removed any attendance points, but I have everything in an Excel spreadsheet that's easy to play with. Just let me know what the consensus is and I'll adjust whatever needs adjusting.

I agree with Ceej that this big of a change will significantly change the career points and makes it a little like comparing apples to oranges for those racers that are no longer participating...

Maybe that's just the evolution of the series..? :?

I can run some comparisons if anyone is interested.

Here's a little history of the way points have been calculated so far. I posted this in the 2012 Championship thread.
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It looks like Gordie Stevens retains the honor of earning the most annual points in 2001.

However, In 2002 we started the attendance points and 10 points for each round win. For 1999-2001 points were calculated differently.

In the 2002 - 2011 "Best 4 / Max of 7" days, it's Glen Terry with the honors in 2009.

CJ has set the bar nice and high in this "Next Evolution" of Slant 6 Drag Racing!

The "Early Years"
1999 - Ron Hamby: 240 - 50 (Over 4) = 190
2000 - Ron Parker: 170-20=150
2001 - Gordie Stevens: 280-50=230

Best 4 / Max of 7
2002 - Ron Hamby: 198-30 (Over 4)=168
2003 - Ron Hamby: 208-30=178
2004 - Dale Rose: 208-50=158
2005 - Rodney Hargis: 176-20=156
2006 - Norman Foster: 198-51=147
2007 - Glen Terry: 195-30=165
2008 - Glen Terry: 197-40=157
2009 - Glen Terry: 249-72=177
2010 - Meril Bruner: 104-0=104
2011 - Wendy Pine: 127-0=127

Best 5 / No Max
2012 - CJ Stoakes: 218-30 (Over 5) =188 (Tentative)

The old rules allowed 4 races and up to 7 for "attendance points". That's why you see Glen Terry giving up a whopping 72 points in 2009. He attended 9 races and had to give up two 20 pointers, one 30 pointer and two attendance points!

I will have to look in my old SSRNs to figure out the point calculations for those first three years unless someone else remembers and can post here. There were 60 and 70 point races with as few as 9 cars in attendance...
Here are the links to the Career Points and latest Championship threads:

2012 Championship: http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48588

Career Points Total: http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44732
Author:  MrsLancer [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Racing History
Points: To have a 60 point race you would have had to either had 25+ cars at the event or 25+ cars the year before. Here on the East Coast we can't come up with a race that has had that many. The most Rodney can come up with was '04 at Clay City and Columbus (Year unknown, but early is slant 6 racing) both of those were 50 point races. But I could be missing some.

1998: There was four races that year (Knoxville, Chicago, Bristol and Clay City). Why isn't the first year listed in the stats?

??? Consecutive round wins: Is there a record for most consecutive rounds won? I figure it's probably between, Rodney (16 rounds), Glen Terry and Ron Hamby?
Author:  Rob Simmons [ Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing History
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1998: There was four races that year (Knoxville, Chicago, Bristol and Clay City). Why isn't the first year listed in the stats?
Hey Alanna,

SSRN points weren't started until the 1999 season. Rodney was declared the Champion for 1998 though. :wink:
Author:  slantzilla [ Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:33 am ]
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Mike Jeffrey might be in the consecutive round wins too.
Author:  Rick Covalt [ Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:55 pm ]
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To have a 60 point race you would have had to either had 25+ cars at the event or 25+ cars the year before
You need 33 cars to have 6 rounds and have a 60 point race.

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??? Consecutive round wins: Is there a record for most consecutive rounds won?
How about consecutive Red light rounds? :lol: :lol: I have 4 in a row I think! No I'm not happy about it!! :lol: :lol:
Author:  Rob Simmons [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Rookie question...
I finally got around to setting up the spreadsheet for 2013 and came up with a question regarding Rookie eligibility.

Rules state:
Rookie of the Year

This award will go to the Slant 6 points racer that scores the highest number of points during that season and has entered no more than one SSRN Points race previous to that season.

Now that we have 2 day races this will eliminate most of the folks that try their hand at it one year for one race weekend and then come back next year with enthusiasm. Unfortunate, but that's the way the rules are written.

There are two racers that received points this year as Rookies for rained out races.

Mike Andreas and Andrew Shank both received 2 points for being there and not getting to race. By the current rules neither of them will qualify as a Rookie if/when they come back this year to race.

(Mike did earn 1 point back in 2004)

In my humble opinion, both of these guys should still be eligible for Rookie of the Year.

Just a thought to throw out there for future rule change considerations...
Author:  ceej [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:28 pm ]
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I agree Rob.

The best way to approach this would be to say, "Competed in no more than one SSRN event weekend."

Regardless, I don't think an event where no runs were made should be considered "competed," for these purposes. Not wanting to over complicate things, but stating that this would only apply to events where rounds were run could further improve the rookie field, should we have a repeat of the mad weather situation. :lol:

I would be open to making the change retroactive to allow Mike and Andrew a crack at it. This is just one opinion, so speak up people!

My two cents.

CJ
Author:  Rob Simmons [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:29 am ]
Post subject:  Without attendance points
I went through and removed attendance points from the career totals for a comparison.

I don't mind doing the extra accounting to use the attendance points for each year's National Championship and removing them for the Career points.

Here's the new math for the top 60 WITHOUT attendance points:

Hamby Ron 1550
Hargis Rodney 1410
Parker Ron 1200
Jeffrey Mike 810
Rose Dale (D) 800
Bruner Meril 760
Foster Norman 650
Bruner Gary 540
Pederson Seymour 540
Terry Glen 530
Stevens Gordie 530
Erickson Aric 500
Stoakes C.J. 490
Madsen Lou 460
Bjerklund Richard 450
Myers Charles 450
Cox John 430
Howard Andrew 430
Dutra Doug 410
Schmid Charlie 390
Harrison Barry 360
Chesney Larry 340
Dutra Allen 330
Bruner Lukus 330
Cox Jim 300
Jesiolowski PJ 290
Reese Mike 280
Pine Wendy 280
Schumers Dennis 280
Burns Will 230
Gonzales Sergio 220
Laney Brent 220
Drake Tom 210
Morgan Wayne 210
Mimken Brian 200
Ondayko Greg 180
Drake Leighton 180
Erickson Wayne 180
Goodman Mark 180
Harris Joel 180
Covalt Ryan 170
Davis Jason 170
Terry John 160
Haas Richard 160
Powers Doug 150
Murray Mark 150
Droll Jeff 140
Wright Frank 120
Daugherty Derrick 120
Furio Romeo 110
Etheridge Mark 110
Evans Mike 110
Bjerklund Mike 100
Funk Frank 100
Mayberry John 100
Steelman Oscar 100
Shifflett Becky 100
Bayer Brian 100
Morgan James 100
Mueller Dave 90

And.... Current math WITH attendance points:

Hamby Ron 1613
Hargis Rodney 1494
Parker Ron 1254
Jeffrey Mike 847
Rose Dale (D) 837
Bruner Meril 819
Foster Norman 697
Bruner Gary 591
Pederson Seymour 576
Terry Glen 554
Stevens Gordie 546
Erickson Aric 538
Stoakes C.J. 523
Madsen Lou 520
Bjerklund Richard 486
Myers Charles 465
Dutra Doug 448
Cox John 437
Howard Andrew 426
Schmid Charlie 422
Harrison Barry 380
Chesney Larry 378
Dutra Allen 374
Bruner Lukus 351
Jesiolowski PJ 331
Cox Jim 314
Reese Mike 297
Pine Wendy 291
Schumers Dennis 280
Burns Will 248
Gonzales Sergio 245
Mimken Brian 226
Laney Brent 224
Drake Tom 222
Morgan Wayne 220
Ondayko Greg 204
Drake Leighton 200
Erickson Wayne 198
Goodman Mark 193
Covalt Ryan 186
Harris Joel 185
Terry John 181
Davis Jason 177
Haas Richard 163
Powers Doug 161
Murray Mark 161
Droll Jeff 141
Wright Frank 137
Daugherty Derrick 127
Furio Romeo 122
Etheridge Mark 122
Evans Mike 121
Bjerklund Mike 117
Funk Frank 116
Mayberry John 106
Steelman Oscar 105
Mueller Dave 104
Moran Paul 102
Shifflett Becky 102
Drake Judy 101

There will be some more adjustments as I work with Seymour to figure out the accounting for those first three years. He said they had given an additional 10 points for attendance, but I need to clarify some things with him.

I also forgot to remove the extra 5 points for setting records in 2012 that affects 4 racers.

I like CJ's suggestion that attendance points be used for the Championship each year (It's great for tie breakers and incentive to compete) and having only round win points count for career totals.

Another topic for discussion at the banquet... We're starting the list early this year! :lol:
Author:  Rob Simmons [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing History
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??? Consecutive round wins: Is there a record for most consecutive rounds won? I figure it's probably between, Rodney (16 rounds), Glen Terry and Ron Hamby?
For a short time back around 2006 Seymour had started recording something like this, but it was short lived.

I would like to see that comparison as well... I'll do some homework and figure out how to go through and calculate it from the records I have...
Author:  Rick Covalt [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:15 pm ]
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In my humble opinion, both of these guys should still be eligible for Rookie of the Year
I agree, Any rained out event like that should not eliminate someone from ROY quest the following year.

And with the 2 day races, I would not be opposed to say that anyone who ran in 2 races , is still eligible for ROY the next year too. Another slanted opinion!!


Rick
Author:  805moparkid [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:42 pm ]
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what is crosstalk?
Author:  Dart270 [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:22 am ]
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I also agree that attending (getting att pts for) a rainout where no competition runs were made would not count against someone being in the running for rookie of the year later.

Lou
Author:  slantzilla [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:06 am ]
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what is crosstalk?
It is a system designed for delay box classes where the top yellow for both lanes comes on at once. In the faster cars lane the top yellow stays on until the tree would normally activate. Then, the tree comes down normally. It was designed to make it easier for box cars to "cross over".

It basically sucks if you're not a delay box car.
Author:  Rob Simmons [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing History
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??? Consecutive round wins: Is there a record for most consecutive rounds won? I figure it's probably between, Rodney (16 rounds), Glen Terry and Ron Hamby?
For a short time back around 2006 Seymour had started recording something like this, but it was short lived.

I would like to see that comparison as well... I'll do some homework and figure out how to go through and calculate it from the records I have...
I pretty much have the "Performance Index" worked out for everyone beginning in 2002 through 2012. I'll post a "teaser" in the Race Results section for those interested.
Author:  805moparkid [ Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:34 pm ]
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what is crosstalk?
It is a system designed for delay box classes where the top yellow for both lanes comes on at once. In the faster cars lane the top yellow stays on until the tree would normally activate. Then, the tree comes down normally. It was designed to make it easier for box cars to "cross over".

It basically sucks if you're not a delay box car.
so just a longer wait before the lights drop? ive never seen this so im in the dark
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