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Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:  5/21/20

5/21/20:

Major Progress Today! Began to Fit the T5 to the Chassis.. Feels Like a Major Milestone.
The Flywheel Adapter Rings are complete and I can pick them up at the machine shop tomorrow.

Did some Cutting to Test Fit the Trans in the car.. Will get to raising the top of the cross member tomorrow or over the weekend.

During the Test Fit I found that the Trans will not seat as the Pilot Bearing Adapter is a Bit too tall ~ 1.01" So the Gap on the Transmission Face was slightly Less than 3/8" - I figure if I take ~ 7/16" off that adapter on the lathe so it sits further down in the engine will be just about right, 'specially when stuff starts getting hot in the bell housing.


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Futz'ed around with the Bell housing and Dial Indicator for a while... First Time I did one of those that way... Really Should go back and fix my other stick cars and indicate the Bell on them too. When I was younger I did not know or was never taught that you cant properly just slam random Bell housings and engine blocks together.
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Marking the Cut Lines... Time to get the scissors out.
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Window to my soul.
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Mind the Gap... The trans wont push in any further.. gotta get that fixed.
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Up against the bearing.
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The thing fits well until you want to get a proper driveshaft / u joint angle.
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Cheers!

Greg

Author:  Dart270 [ Fri May 22, 2020 4:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Nice progress!

Yep, need to raise the tunnel in front of the X-member too, and remove most of the upper X-member and rebuild it.

Lou

Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Sun May 24, 2020 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  5/24/20

5/24/20:

Got the T5 fully mocked and the crossmember cut. I have a few more spots to clearance the transmission tunnel so that I can raise the trans enough to begin taking measurements for a driveshaft and also to check Driveshaft angles.

I was able to take ~7/16" out of my pilot bearing adapter to get the trans to fully seat onto the bell housing.

I also got the Flywheel adapter Rings (I had 2 Made) and the ID was .010" small so I trimmed the ID Bigger on the lathe, and the OD is a nice Press Fit.


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Goin' under the Knife:
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Complete!
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Flywheel Adapter Rings arrived! - Adapts a Large Register Flywheel to a small register crank.
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Installed.. Press Fit so it doesn't go any where ;-)
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All the Parts Getting installed on the crank now.
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More Hacking through the floor.
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Man, that body Saw sure is handy to have when you want to make delicate precision sheet metal incisions..
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Marked the Cut Line.. No turning back now... Break out the Cut off Wheel!
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Through the Crossmember.
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Done!
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This will become the upper crossmember, I am not making some new piece, just welding this one back in up higher.
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Shorter Pilot Bearing adapter works. Also have room to press bearing back a bit further if needed.
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Some Parts where the T5 still hits the tunnel... The Chrysler trans's were a lot more sculpted in this area..
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Woo Hoo! 5 speed sticking up from below!
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A couple more clearance checks...
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'Till Next Time!

Greg

Author:  drgonzo [ Sun May 24, 2020 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Nice work, you're getting there!

Author:  Dart270 [ Mon May 25, 2020 4:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Excellent work. More organized that my previous work for sure. Dang, wish I had thought to ask you to make up 1-2 more of those flywheel/crank rings. Now I could use one... I was thinking of having emachineshop.com make one.

Cheers,
Lou

Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Mon May 25, 2020 4:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

@ Lou, I can get more made.

I have a local machine shop that will do 'em.

He enjoys me coming in with little local jobs to get my projects to function.

Check the post over in the for sale Section.

Greg

Author:  Dart270 [ Tue May 26, 2020 3:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Got it, thanks!
Lou

Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Thu May 28, 2020 4:55 am ]
Post subject:  5/28/20

5/28/20:

Sorted out the lower Cross member below the transmission.

I had a lower trans cross member for a mopar with a t5 swap from an old friend, Sam Powell.
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That part ended up not fitting due to it being for a different Body style 67-76 A Body Mopar..
So I began to modify the original trans cross member out of this car that was used with the 3 speed.

I got to cutting and modding, Fabbing and Welding.

My original Idea Sort of worked, but it located the Trans up too high in the car.
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This was an easy mod, Cut come clearance windows on the front and rear of the cross member and then weld up the 2 large holes that ma mopar had for the access to the trans bolts, and put small slots there..... but it was not to work :-(
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Simple and worked well in theory ( in my mind) but not in real life on the car.
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So that not so messy part had to morph into this betwixt beauty of mangled wire welding metal:
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I basically had to cut and lower the lower attachment point of mount ~5/8". So I cut some metal strips and installed the lowering kit.
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Finsihed rresult holds the trans in place without too much fiddling to get things all together.
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Next, Clutch fork fitting, Driveshaft getting, then Upper cross member making.

Stay tuned!

Greg

Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Sat May 30, 2020 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  5/30/20

5/30/20:

It feels like I have reached a milestone today..

First, the Dr. Diff Rear 11.7" Cobra Rear Disk Kit Arrived!
The Drums I had on the rear axle were just place holders anyway, and one wheel cylinder began to leak.
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A little bit of pre assembly:
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Next and probably more importantly, I finalized the Mounting of the T5 5 speed and verified clutch / TOB operation, lower cross member placement, etc.

I had some issues to contend with, mostly related to the input bearing / Throw out bearing slider / support shaft.

Driveshaft Shop is making a new driveshaft with 1310 U joints up front, and a 1310 / 7260 Conversion Joint at the rear axle.

Here are some Pictures of what I have accomplished:

I tried to use the clutch fork from the 3 speed bellhousing, but the fulcrum is about an inch too close so it makes the geometry wrong.
I wanted to use the link end from the 3 speed fork, (Bottom on the picture) and weld it onto the Overdrive Bell housing Fork that is painted black. If I was putting this in a 67 or Newer A Body , or F body or Truck etc. I probably would not need to do this Modification.
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Cut the end off the OD Bellhousing Fork..
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Cut the gland end off the other fork and match it up.
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Little bit of hot glue for mock up...
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Mock up reveals that the Rod is not perpendicular.. That geometry will not be happy... will need to cut another 3/8" out and mock it again.
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This mockup is much better, Time to break out the hot glue gun.
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Finished part at the correct length for this Chassis and Z bar configuration!
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More Mock up revealed that the TOB will not be able to move back far enough toward the input bearing with the pressure plate cover that I will be using :-( Time to take it apart and get that aluminum turned down in the lathe.
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In this trans's OE application there would have been a Hydro TOB and a much lower pressure plate, So I need to remove about 1/2" of that aluminum so the TOB can slide back a bit more.
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Here is the part after removing 1/2" of that aluminum that is around the pressed in steel TOB support.
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After putting the Trans back inI found that the Front of the TOB support was hitting the clutch itself. Here is the 2000 Mustang V6 Bearing support on the Right compared to the same part from an 88 Ford 4 cylinder T5... At first I thought I could just swap the bearing supports and be done, but they are different with different bearings.. so back to the lathe to take 1/4" off the front of that steel tube on the V6 Part.... Man I am glad I at least have a junky lathe for this project.
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Here is the finished part... Steel tube 1/4" shorter, also with a little bit of clearancing at ~ the 2" mark of the aluminum so that the clutch fork does not hang up on the "backstop" for the OE Hydro TOB.
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Began to weld in my "clearance windows" in the upper cross member... So far no rubbing, bumping that I can see.
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This is a promising picture. The new 5 speed is home.
Once I get that upper X member Burned in and the driveshaft I can crank up the Torsion Bars again and do a test Hit.... :-o
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Greg

Author:  Dart270 [ Sun May 31, 2020 5:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Excellent work, Greg. I like your strategies. What's with all that mechanical clutch stuff, though?? :P

That Dr. Diff rear disc kit is the one I have in the 68 turbo Dart. It is THE most "bolt on" kit I have ever installed on any car. Works very nicely too.

Lou

Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Sun May 31, 2020 9:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

I know you don't like mechanical linkages.

I figure I can get it done with the parts on hand and offset the cost of that hydro Tob for now.

Might go hydro later on.. might not. Its more additional work if I do decide to go that way.

Greg

Author:  Dart270 [ Sun May 31, 2020 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Just givin ya a hard time! I'm sure you can make it work well...

Lou

Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  6/5/20

6/5/20:

Some More Parts Arrived today!
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OH YEAH!

I picked up the driveshaft to mate the T5 to the Rear end as well!


Greg

Author:  Dart270 [ Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Cool. Let me know the total wt of those brake parts when you get a chance.

Lou

Author:  Badvert65 [ Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1964 Dart Grüne Hölle Road Course AutoX Car IRWIN PA

Is that a front or rear setup?

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